  {"id":3343,"date":"2024-12-21T00:02:24","date_gmt":"2024-12-21T00:02:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/?p=3343"},"modified":"2024-12-21T00:03:28","modified_gmt":"2024-12-21T00:03:28","slug":"an-interview-with-dr-brooke-istas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/an-interview-with-dr-brooke-istas\/","title":{"rendered":"An Interview with Dr. Brooke Istas"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>by Connie Rivera<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-background\" style=\"background:linear-gradient(135deg,rgba(239,220,242,0.98) 100%,rgb(202,248,128) 100%);font-size:16px;font-style:italic;font-weight:500\"><em>Dr. Brooke Istas is an instructor of Mathematics for Cowley College since Fall 2014. Prior to accepting the position, she acted as the Instructional Coordinator and a Mathematics Instructor for the Cowley College Adult Education and College Preparation Program. She is also the online moderator for the U.S. Department of Education, Office of Career, Technical and Adult Education (OCTAE), Literacy Information and Communication System\u2019s (LINCS) Community of Practice for both Math and Numeracy and Correctional and Reentry Education communities. Also for the LINCS National Professional Development Center, she is certified as a National Trainer in math and numeracy and serves as a Subject Matter Expert Reviewer vetting math and science resources for the LINCS online Resource Collection. <a href=\"https:\/\/cowley.edu\/faculty-and-staff\/BROOKEISTAS.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Read Brooke&#8217;s full bio here<\/a> or visit her <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/mathnerd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">LinkedIn profile page<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-highlight has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Can you share how you became familiar with strategies for ELLs in Math Class?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">The town I taught in has a large support network for immigrants, so the ESOL classes are large. Many intermediate and advanced ESOL students dual enroll in an Adult Basic Education class and an ESOL class. As a former special education major, I have always studied ways all my students can reach the same high-level goals (Universal Design for Learning &#8211; UDL).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-highlight has-medium-font-size\"><strong>What are some of the most effective strategies you use to teach numeracy to adult English learners?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">I have so many answers to this question! <a href=\"https:\/\/adultnumeracynetwork.org\/Instructional-Routines\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Instructional routines<\/a> allow students to focus on the content because how the activity works stays the same. <em>Which One Doesn\u2019t Belong?<\/em> is one of my favorites because I can elicit the words students will need for the upcoming lesson from them before we begin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ul.stanford.edu\/sites\/default\/files\/resource\/2021-11\/Principles%20for%20the%20Design%20of%20Mathematics%20Curricula_1.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Mathematical Language Routines<\/a> give a framework for collecting students\u2019 language and displaying it as a reference, giving students a hook and asking them for their questions, comparing and contrasting, and so much more.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"574\" height=\"292\" src=\"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2024\/12\/89_Brooke-Interview_Img1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3346\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2024\/12\/89_Brooke-Interview_Img1.png 574w, https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2024\/12\/89_Brooke-Interview_Img1-300x153.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 574px) 100vw, 574px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>Figure 1: Stronger and Clearer Each Time<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">Giving students physical and virtual objects to move (manipulatives, but also words or images that need sorting, categorizing, or hanging on a number line) lowers the need for specific English words to participate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">Inevitably I\u2019ll say an unplanned something that needs an image, so I have Google Images handy to display a collage of images that illustrate a word.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">I encourage first or common languages to be spoken in class. When our goal is to understand a concept, it can be explored in any language. (A core principle of UDL: be tight to the goal, but flexible on the means.) Once the ideas are developed, they can be put into English.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-highlight has-medium-font-size\"><strong>How do you integrate numeracy instruction with language learning?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">Integrating numeracy instruction with language instruction is easier if you start with a context and take the math from there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">Student-centered learning means numeracy and language happen together naturally. Learner-centered instruction includes choosing non-routine, open problems that present opportunities to explore and discover something. Students may be asking questions, doing research, and discussing strategies and ideas (rather than sharing answers). They make decisions and justify them with math. They estimate, predict, and analyze.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-highlight has-medium-font-size\"><strong>What are some common challenges adult English learners face in acquiring numeracy skills?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">Like many students, there is often a disconnect in realizing how their life knowledge applies to school math. Fractions are sometimes puzzling since there is much more of a focus on them in school and society in the US than there is in other countries.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">As teachers, we sometimes assume some contexts are common to everyone that are not. One example of this is time\u2014I have had students whose days were marked by before and between prayer bells that rang in the village, not time on a clock. Over time, I learned to make fewer assumptions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-highlight has-medium-font-size\"><strong>How do you help students overcome math anxiety or negative attitudes towards learning numeracy?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">I\u2019m<strong> <\/strong>open about my numeracy struggles and journey with my students. It helps students to hear that math isn\u2019t magic and tricks and that you can struggle and still learn.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">I select problems with multiple correct answers (often involving decision-making like Would You Rather?). I\u2019m genuinely interested in their thinking, and our focus is on strategies and curiosity rather than answers. I never expected timed solutions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-highlight has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Can you share a success story of a student who significantly improved their numeracy skills through your teaching methods?<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">Fatima* always comes to mind when I think of students who thrived in my Adult Basic Education class. Fatima was a mom of 5 (now 6), a refugee from a country where minimal formal schooling is given to girls. Her appraisal scores in both reading and math showed results with only a few correct answers. Her speaking and listening skills are far higher than her reading, and she is an expert learner who is very comfortable sharing rough draft thinking and thinking deeply. The whole class thrived with her there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">The students and I had decided on the unit, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/sabes.org\/content\/how-grand-your-total\/math-and-numeracy-sabes-mathematics-and-adult-numeracy-curriculum-and\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">How Grand Is Your Total?<\/a><\/em> to address many of their requests for learning this semester. Several students could not attend the first 15 to 30 minutes of class each day because of their children\u2019s schedules, and absences were fairly common. Each night before class, I posted our initial problem to Google Classroom so all students would have access to the materials no matter when they could attend classes. Several of the students, including Fatima, used that as an opportunity to try the problem before class so they would have enough think time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">We completed division, and I hadn\u2019t introduced fractions yet. I remembered that several students had requested fractions as a topic for the semester, and most were unfamiliar with them. As usual, I posted <a href=\"https:\/\/www.openmiddle.com\/adding-fractions-to-make-a-whole-number\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">the problem<\/a> for the next day, but this time, expecting silence until class since I thought it was a new topic:<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"936\" height=\"526\" src=\"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2024\/12\/89_Brooke-Interview_Img2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3348\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2024\/12\/89_Brooke-Interview_Img2.png 936w, https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2024\/12\/89_Brooke-Interview_Img2-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2024\/12\/89_Brooke-Interview_Img2-768x432.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 936px) 100vw, 936px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">In the morning, I had a text from Fatima:<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"632\" height=\"234\" src=\"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2024\/12\/89_Brooke-Interview_Img3.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3349\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2024\/12\/89_Brooke-Interview_Img3.png 632w, https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2024\/12\/89_Brooke-Interview_Img3-300x111.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 632px) 100vw, 632px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">I wrote back to her saying, &#8220;Yes!, this is an answer to the problem,&#8221; and expressing confusion because I thought she told me she didn\u2019t know about fractions\u2014and here she was adding fractions before the lesson. She wrote back to me, just as confused and wondering why I didn\u2019t remember that I had taught them already. I had to wait for class for an in-person conversation so she could make me understand that I had taught her everything she needed to know in our division lessons.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">Wow. My formal education was getting in the way of my thinking. The standards say, \u201cBuild fractions from unit fractions by applying and extending previous understanding of operations on whole numbers.\u201d and I knew that enough to set up the lessons in the way that I did, but I didn\u2019t truly absorb it until Fatima taught me to see all the connections. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size\"><em>*name changed.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/em>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-css-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-media-text alignwide is-stacked-on-mobile\" style=\"grid-template-columns:21% auto\"><figure class=\"wp-block-media-text__media\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1007\" src=\"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2023\/02\/Connie-Rivera-AV巴士-2023-1024x1007.jpeg\" alt=\"Connie Rivera\" class=\"wp-image-2296 size-full\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2023\/02\/Connie-Rivera-AV巴士-2023-1024x1007.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2023\/02\/Connie-Rivera-AV巴士-2023-300x295.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2023\/02\/Connie-Rivera-AV巴士-2023-768x755.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2023\/02\/Connie-Rivera-AV巴士-2023-1536x1511.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/28\/2023\/02\/Connie-Rivera-AV巴士-2023.jpeg 1809w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure><div class=\"wp-block-media-text__content\">\n<p style=\"font-size:16px\"><em>Connie Rivera is a Professional Development Specialist and curriculum developer for AV巴士&#8217;s Adult Numeracy Center and the SABES Mathematics and Adult Numeracy <\/em>Curriculum &amp; Instruction PD Team. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p style=\"font-size:16px\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/profiles\/connie-rivera\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Read Connie&#8217;s bio here!<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>by Connie Rivera<\/p>\n<p><em>Dr. Brooke Istas is an instructor of Mathematics for Cowley College since Fall 2014. Prior to accepting the position, she acted as the Instructional Coordinator and a Mathematics Instructor for the Cowley College Adult Education and College Preparation Program. She is also the online moderator for the U.S. Department of Education, Office of Career, Technical and Adult Education (OCTAE), Literacy Information and Communication System\u2019s (LINCS) Community of Practice for both Math and Numeracy and Correctional and Reentry Education communities.<\/em>  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/an-interview-with-dr-brooke-istas\/\">&nbsp;&raquo;&nbsp;Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":16,"featured_media":3,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_relevanssi_hide_post":"","_relevanssi_hide_content":"","_relevanssi_pin_for_all":"","_relevanssi_pin_keywords":"","_relevanssi_unpin_keywords":"","_relevanssi_related_keywords":"","_relevanssi_related_include_ids":"","_relevanssi_related_exclude_ids":"","_relevanssi_related_no_append":"","_relevanssi_related_not_related":"","_relevanssi_related_posts":"1086,63,1102,1729,60,450","_relevanssi_noindex_reason":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[16,18,20],"tags":[23,149,138],"class_list":["post-3343","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-numeracy","category-technology-tools","category-visual","tag-adult-education","tag-brooke-istas","tag-math"],"acf":[],"cp_meta_data":{"custom_page_title":[""],"_custom_page_title":["field_5db45d9c2601b"],"external_link":[""],"_external_link":["field_5d6033845a92c"],"hide_share_buttons":["0"],"_hide_share_buttons":["field_5e5c1be61306c"],"meta_description":[""],"_meta_description":["field_60dd0445aa562"],"_thumbnail_id":["3"],"_relevanssi_related_posts":["1086,63,1102,1729,60,450"],"_relevanssi_pin_keywords":[""],"_relevanssi_unpin_keywords":[""],"_oembed_7948f3bfa75bf95eb718e4cd230e7242":["{{unknown}}"],"_dp_original":["3272"],"_edit_lock":["1734739408:16"],"_edit_last":["16"]},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3343","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/16"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3343"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3343\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3354,"href":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3343\/revisions\/3354"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/3"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3343"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3343"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.terc.edu\/adultnumeracycenter\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3343"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}